53. Science of evil
This is an email stream.
You need to scroll down to the start which is at the bottom... funny , that.
Anyway you wont understand it if you dont
Ross,
I agree that God's reality and dimensions are far vaster than we
understand or can comprehend with our mind.
As far as evil I am not sure that I know a lot about it and its
creation. What I have found for myself is that it seems to be as
simple as putting oneself ahead of any and everything else.
Clay
Begin forwarded message:Clay I want to share this with you...you
need
to read the bottom letter first which someone sent to J.
Date: 5 March 2006 6:28:56 PM
To: ross@8i.com
Subject: FW: Fwd: Did God create evil?
Begin forwarded message:
Subject: RE: Fwd: Did God create evil?
Thankyou for passing that on, it has given me food for thought
which I would like to share.
That is a very pretty story and I appreciate it, but on
reflection it is not how I see Creation ,thanks to various
considerations:
So I ask you, does the devil exist, or is it an absence of God?
Do evil powers exist, or are they the absence of good powers?
Does hurting exist, or is it an absence of health?
Does nothingness exist? That would be a lack of Gods presence,
and he is infinite. Period.
Since he is infinite, does Hell exist?
Or is God present in Hell? Or is Hell the absence of Heaven?
( I make a suggestion for consideration of that later...)
I think the more relevant way to approach this is like so...
These approaches to answering questions of a divine nature
will
only get you twisted up if you are thinking in terms of "space-
time">>> I.e.length, breadth,height,time. These are but 4
dimensions
relevant to how we live and think.
God created man in his image. In simple terms, by means of
illustration, an image, like in a mirror, has one less
dimension,no thickness, it is on only one plane. Or look at
the
Mr and Mrs Flat syndrome. God has more dimensions up his
sleeve
than we can imagine.
Look for instance at the Spiritual dimension, we cant see it,
measure it nor picture it. We have limited access to it.Then
above that is Gods dimension, where even spiritual beings are
off limits: He created our physical laws and as such he works
outside our laws.
Mr Einstein knew that, so does Mr Hawking.
I like to describe evil more akin to our knowledge of
opposites,
which we all understand. No rocket science yet, just good old
positive and negative. Each dimension in the space-time
continuum has + and --
Electricity has it. Atoms have it. Gravity. Love? The
opposite
of love is hate.
Heat is actually an activity within an atom. The opposite is
no
activity, which is interpreted as cold.
When God created the atomic structure he created within it
positives and negatives. We have been able to harness some of
this science to make electricity, appliances, computers etc
.So all matter is composed of + and --.
Time ,well it is not our experience to make it go backwards,
but
from where I sit, I can see past ,present and future without
much imagination. The Spiritual dimension has good and bad
( read, evil ) spirits. Who knows what the next levels are
but
it would appear again from where I sit that the common
denominator ( no more math...) is that in everything God
touched
he implanted + and -- as his structure. The opposite of God
is
Satan.
The battle prophesied between God and Satan is not way off in
the future. It is, was and will be.
Remember, to every positive there is a negative, to every
action
there is an equal and opposite reaction ( Mr Newton's third
law
of motion). But remember, He who created the laws is above
the
laws, so to every negative Satan has in his arsenal, God has
the advantage of being the creator.
It is necessary that we live in a world of + and --, God made
it
and us so, in HIS IMAGE, but with less abilities, and less
dimensional understanding.
Which comment, brings us to the Genesis tree of knowledge of
good and evil. Not the tree of knowledge of good and the lack
thereof.
To the question "does Hell exist, my thinking at the moment
is
to say it is not in our space-time concept of place as we
know
it, and it is outside time ,being eternity, so already we are
looking at higher dimensions. The concept is more easily
considered as a spiritual realm. But I think it is beyond that:
Consider, The King of His Kingdom has a special "place" where
he
resides with those he wishes to endow with his INIMITABLE
LOVE.
This dimension is where all power is seated which is outside
the
dimensions of positive and negative influences. No negatives
there. This is the power beyond Satans touch. And I refer to
the
Holy Spirit. That is not a limited power . It is the Power
that
runs everything.
(Talk to me about the original light and power in Creation,
about the power of life, the power in matter, what makes our
universe tick...about Mr Hawking's desire for a Theory of
Everything...and his concept that original power is light...)
Within that Power is no evil, it is a lack of evil, Mr Einstein.
The term "dimension", not familiar to all, is current practice
and refers to levels, if you like, of existence.
My mission is to promote understanding on the basis that
science
and "religion" are compatible if understood with some level of
guidance, and a mind to accept
1: that not all science is true,
2: and the scripture is the inspired word of God.
Ross
Who Created Evil?
As you read this, I challenge you to really let it's meaning
sink in. This
eloquently answers one of the profound questions of lif
Did God Create Evil?
The university professor challenged his students with this
question:
"Did God create everything that exists? "
A student bravely replied "Yes, he did!"
"God created everything?" the professor asked.
"Yes, sir," the student replied.
The professor answered, "If God created everything, then God
created evil
since evil exists, and according to the principal that our
works define who
we are, then God is evil."
The professor was quite pleased with himself and boasted to
the students
that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a
myth.>>>>>
Another student raised his hand and said, "Can I ask you a
question
professor?"
"Of course," replied the professor.
The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?"
The professor replied, "Of course it exists. Have you never
been cold?"
The students snickered at the young man's question.
The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist.
According to the
laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the
absence of heat.
Everybody or object is susceptible to study when it has or
transmits
energy, and heat is what makes a body, or matter, have or
transmit energy.
Absolute zero (- 460 degrees F) is the total absence of
heat.
Cold does not
exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if
we
have no
heat.
The student continued. "Professor, does darkness exist?"
The professor responded, "Of course it does."
The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir. Darkness
does not exist
either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light,
we
can study,
but not darkness. In fact we can use Newton's prism to break
white light
into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each
color. You
cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break
into
a world of
darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a
certain space is?
You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct?
Darkness is a
term used by man to describe what happens when there is no
light present."
Finally the young man asked the professor. "Sir, does evil
exist?">>>>>
Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course, as I
have
already said.
We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man's
inhumanity to man.
It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in
the world. These
manifestations are nothing else but evil."
To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at
least it does
not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It
is just like
darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe
the absence of
God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what
happens when man
does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the
cold that
comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when
there is no
light."
The professor sat down.
The young man's name --- Albert Einstein
May today there be peace within you.
May you trust your God that you are exactly where you are
meant to
be.......
You need to scroll down to the start which is at the bottom... funny , that.
Anyway you wont understand it if you dont
Ross,
I agree that God's reality and dimensions are far vaster than we
understand or can comprehend with our mind.
As far as evil I am not sure that I know a lot about it and its
creation. What I have found for myself is that it seems to be as
simple as putting oneself ahead of any and everything else.
Clay
Begin forwarded message:Clay I want to share this with you...you
need
to read the bottom letter first which someone sent to J.
Date: 5 March 2006 6:28:56 PM
To: ross@8i.com
Subject: FW: Fwd: Did God create evil?
Begin forwarded message:
Subject: RE: Fwd: Did God create evil?
Thankyou for passing that on, it has given me food for thought
which I would like to share.
That is a very pretty story and I appreciate it, but on
reflection it is not how I see Creation ,thanks to various
considerations:
So I ask you, does the devil exist, or is it an absence of God?
Do evil powers exist, or are they the absence of good powers?
Does hurting exist, or is it an absence of health?
Does nothingness exist? That would be a lack of Gods presence,
and he is infinite. Period.
Since he is infinite, does Hell exist?
Or is God present in Hell? Or is Hell the absence of Heaven?
( I make a suggestion for consideration of that later...)
I think the more relevant way to approach this is like so...
These approaches to answering questions of a divine nature
will
only get you twisted up if you are thinking in terms of "space-
time">>> I.e.length, breadth,height,time. These are but 4
dimensions
relevant to how we live and think.
God created man in his image. In simple terms, by means of
illustration, an image, like in a mirror, has one less
dimension,no thickness, it is on only one plane. Or look at
the
Mr and Mrs Flat syndrome. God has more dimensions up his
sleeve
than we can imagine.
Look for instance at the Spiritual dimension, we cant see it,
measure it nor picture it. We have limited access to it.Then
above that is Gods dimension, where even spiritual beings are
off limits: He created our physical laws and as such he works
outside our laws.
Mr Einstein knew that, so does Mr Hawking.
I like to describe evil more akin to our knowledge of
opposites,
which we all understand. No rocket science yet, just good old
positive and negative. Each dimension in the space-time
continuum has + and --
Electricity has it. Atoms have it. Gravity. Love? The
opposite
of love is hate.
Heat is actually an activity within an atom. The opposite is
no
activity, which is interpreted as cold.
When God created the atomic structure he created within it
positives and negatives. We have been able to harness some of
this science to make electricity, appliances, computers etc
.So all matter is composed of + and --.
Time ,well it is not our experience to make it go backwards,
but
from where I sit, I can see past ,present and future without
much imagination. The Spiritual dimension has good and bad
( read, evil ) spirits. Who knows what the next levels are
but
it would appear again from where I sit that the common
denominator ( no more math...) is that in everything God
touched
he implanted + and -- as his structure. The opposite of God
is
Satan.
The battle prophesied between God and Satan is not way off in
the future. It is, was and will be.
Remember, to every positive there is a negative, to every
action
there is an equal and opposite reaction ( Mr Newton's third
law
of motion). But remember, He who created the laws is above
the
laws, so to every negative Satan has in his arsenal, God has
the advantage of being the creator.
It is necessary that we live in a world of + and --, God made
it
and us so, in HIS IMAGE, but with less abilities, and less
dimensional understanding.
Which comment, brings us to the Genesis tree of knowledge of
good and evil. Not the tree of knowledge of good and the lack
thereof.
To the question "does Hell exist, my thinking at the moment
is
to say it is not in our space-time concept of place as we
know
it, and it is outside time ,being eternity, so already we are
looking at higher dimensions. The concept is more easily
considered as a spiritual realm. But I think it is beyond that:
Consider, The King of His Kingdom has a special "place" where
he
resides with those he wishes to endow with his INIMITABLE
LOVE.
This dimension is where all power is seated which is outside
the
dimensions of positive and negative influences. No negatives
there. This is the power beyond Satans touch. And I refer to
the
Holy Spirit. That is not a limited power . It is the Power
that
runs everything.
(Talk to me about the original light and power in Creation,
about the power of life, the power in matter, what makes our
universe tick...about Mr Hawking's desire for a Theory of
Everything...and his concept that original power is light...)
Within that Power is no evil, it is a lack of evil, Mr Einstein.
The term "dimension", not familiar to all, is current practice
and refers to levels, if you like, of existence.
My mission is to promote understanding on the basis that
science
and "religion" are compatible if understood with some level of
guidance, and a mind to accept
1: that not all science is true,
2: and the scripture is the inspired word of God.
Ross
Who Created Evil?
As you read this, I challenge you to really let it's meaning
sink in. This
eloquently answers one of the profound questions of lif
Did God Create Evil?
The university professor challenged his students with this
question:
"Did God create everything that exists? "
A student bravely replied "Yes, he did!"
"God created everything?" the professor asked.
"Yes, sir," the student replied.
The professor answered, "If God created everything, then God
created evil
since evil exists, and according to the principal that our
works define who
we are, then God is evil."
The professor was quite pleased with himself and boasted to
the students
that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a
myth.>>>>>
Another student raised his hand and said, "Can I ask you a
question
professor?"
"Of course," replied the professor.
The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?"
The professor replied, "Of course it exists. Have you never
been cold?"
The students snickered at the young man's question.
The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist.
According to the
laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the
absence of heat.
Everybody or object is susceptible to study when it has or
transmits
energy, and heat is what makes a body, or matter, have or
transmit energy.
Absolute zero (- 460 degrees F) is the total absence of
heat.
Cold does not
exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if
we
have no
heat.
The student continued. "Professor, does darkness exist?"
The professor responded, "Of course it does."
The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir. Darkness
does not exist
either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light,
we
can study,
but not darkness. In fact we can use Newton's prism to break
white light
into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each
color. You
cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break
into
a world of
darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a
certain space is?
You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct?
Darkness is a
term used by man to describe what happens when there is no
light present."
Finally the young man asked the professor. "Sir, does evil
exist?">>>>>
Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course, as I
have
already said.
We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man's
inhumanity to man.
It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in
the world. These
manifestations are nothing else but evil."
To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at
least it does
not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It
is just like
darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe
the absence of
God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what
happens when man
does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the
cold that
comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when
there is no
light."
The professor sat down.
The young man's name --- Albert Einstein
May today there be peace within you.
May you trust your God that you are exactly where you are
meant to
be.......
posted by Ross at 9:50 pm
2 Comments:
Just stream of consciousness, nothing substantial... we are created with choice. Free will. "Good" is choosing God (and all that entails; trust, obedience, etc). Evil is choosing not God. Us in the place of God. Living selfishly and self-centred.
I like how someone put it "There's a throne up there... and YOU'RE NOT ON IT!"
I guess you dont mean me, I guess it was said to you, but really, I dont want to be on a throne...
But I ran it past the dog, Ross's dog. He said he wouldnt need to be on a throne either. Only cats want that. But as far as people are concerned, says the dog, its about being in control of yourself, and controlling all the things in your life. If u r not in control, says the dog, then u r out of control. That is what is meant by being on a throne.
Well, maybe. Definitely something like that anyway.
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