Friday, April 28, 2006

54. Death, and getting a Life

Death is a ghastly subject. ummm . Right.
Death is necessary, ummm, right but we would like to avoid it.
Death is a bit hard to define, we know when someone else is dead, but from our own perspective it is a bit hard to come back and say , this or that is what happens. Science generally disagrees with those who would relate their near- death experiences like the light at the end of the tunnel, etc.
Do you know, in real life, if you see a light at the end of a tunnel, do you know what that is?
It is a train coming, towards you, and usually, really fast.
But I digress
If we did not have death, what then?
It occurs to me that we would be pretty blase about our life.
It would cease to be precious.
Life would cease to have the value it has, in that all our lives we have been careful , we have protected our selves, our children, our neighbour, and our parents.
Parents? How much less care might we give some of those boring old folk, those cantankerous children, screaming babies, obnoxious neighbours, if there were no threat to their life, to their continuing existence?
No, we worship life and abhor death.
We take little account for the values of death.
Immediately I think of 3 values:
The value of meeting our maker.
The value of no more suffering
The value of giving life , well, value .

If there were no death, how easily would we discard the caring values we have for others?
The caring values of ourselves?
Would we step in front of buses?
Would we be daredevils in respect of major risk-taking?
What risks you may ask?
Would we climb higher, dive deeper, drive faster?

If there were no death, how would we ever meet our maker?
What would qualify us to meet Him?
A perfect life, presumably like Enoch?
God really wants us in His presence..(what, me?)
Or do we just never get to Heaven?
Nor Hell?

So those neighbours we regularly, or other peoples' children, regularly would, like, consign to the proverbial hell, ( I am being polite...), we would have to learn how to put up with them, forever.

I think I could look forward to death.
Death is not all negative.
Death is not a put down (!)
Death has benefits ( death benefits ! ) No I am trying to be too funny when really this is an inspired message.
Death has benefits in giving us a royal incentive to be with God and Jesus who we have grown to love. In heaven which we have learned is a place of eternal love. Death releases us from a cruel world. From an ungodly existence. From the threat of a lost eternity, even.
Death . This is that great thing called Hope.
Faith, Hope and Love.
The greatest of these is Love ( charity)
But faith even if it were a smallest of substances could move mountains.
Love , love is that primordial , original force , synonymous with God. God is Love.

Love is the ultimate life force, the spirit of creation, the energy beyond all things.
But hope, Hope, is scripturally entwined with Faith And Charity, see refs.
Hope is the poor relation of those other two.
Hope is not really recognized as a great concept alongside Faith And Love/ Charity.

So I suggest to you, it is this Hope of death which keeps us alive in Christ
Death brings us life. Life.
I am almost persuaded in myself to want to swap places with those whose good fortune and good living is to meet death, and get life.
Get a life, by getting the death.


Scripture:

Rom 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
1Cr 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these [is] charity.
2Cr 10:15 Not boasting of things without [our] measure, [that is], of other men's labours; but having hope, when your faith is increased, that we shall be enlarged by you according to our rule abundantly,
Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and [be] not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, [and] which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
1Th 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

Thursday, April 27, 2006

53. Science of evil

This is an email stream.
You need to scroll down to the start which is at the bottom... funny , that.
Anyway you wont understand it if you dont




Ross,

I agree that God's reality and dimensions are far vaster than we
understand or can comprehend with our mind.
As far as evil I am not sure that I know a lot about it and its
creation. What I have found for myself is that it seems to be as
simple as putting oneself ahead of any and everything else.

Clay


Begin forwarded message:Clay I want to share this with you...you
need
to read the bottom letter first which someone sent to J.


Date: 5 March 2006 6:28:56 PM
To: ross@8i.com
Subject: FW: Fwd: Did God create evil?





Begin forwarded message:
Subject: RE: Fwd: Did God create evil?

Thankyou for passing that on, it has given me food for thought
which I would like to share.


That is a very pretty story and I appreciate it, but on
reflection it is not how I see Creation ,thanks to various
considerations:
So I ask you, does the devil exist, or is it an absence of God?
Do evil powers exist, or are they the absence of good powers?
Does hurting exist, or is it an absence of health?
Does nothingness exist? That would be a lack of Gods presence,

and he is infinite. Period.
Since he is infinite, does Hell exist?
Or is God present in Hell? Or is Hell the absence of Heaven?
( I make a suggestion for consideration of that later...)

I think the more relevant way to approach this is like so...
These approaches to answering questions of a divine nature
will
only get you twisted up if you are thinking in terms of "space-
time">>> I.e.length, breadth,height,time. These are but 4
dimensions
relevant to how we live and think.

God created man in his image. In simple terms, by means of
illustration, an image, like in a mirror, has one less
dimension,no thickness, it is on only one plane. Or look at
the
Mr and Mrs Flat syndrome. God has more dimensions up his
sleeve
than we can imagine.
Look for instance at the Spiritual dimension, we cant see it,

measure it nor picture it. We have limited access to it.Then
above that is Gods dimension, where even spiritual beings are

off limits: He created our physical laws and as such he works

outside our laws.
Mr Einstein knew that, so does Mr Hawking.
I like to describe evil more akin to our knowledge of
opposites,
which we all understand. No rocket science yet, just good old

positive and negative. Each dimension in the space-time
continuum has + and --
Electricity has it. Atoms have it. Gravity. Love? The
opposite
of love is hate.
Heat is actually an activity within an atom. The opposite is
no
activity, which is interpreted as cold.
When God created the atomic structure he created within it
positives and negatives. We have been able to harness some of
this science to make electricity, appliances, computers etc
.So all matter is composed of + and --.
Time ,well it is not our experience to make it go backwards,
but
from where I sit, I can see past ,present and future without
much imagination. The Spiritual dimension has good and bad
( read, evil ) spirits. Who knows what the next levels are
but
it would appear again from where I sit that the common
denominator ( no more math...) is that in everything God
touched
he implanted + and -- as his structure. The opposite of God
is
Satan.
The battle prophesied between God and Satan is not way off in
the future. It is, was and will be.
Remember, to every positive there is a negative, to every
action
there is an equal and opposite reaction ( Mr Newton's third
law
of motion). But remember, He who created the laws is above
the
laws, so to every negative Satan has in his arsenal, God has
the advantage of being the creator.
It is necessary that we live in a world of + and --, God made
it
and us so, in HIS IMAGE, but with less abilities, and less
dimensional understanding.
Which comment, brings us to the Genesis tree of knowledge of
good and evil. Not the tree of knowledge of good and the lack
thereof.

To the question "does Hell exist, my thinking at the moment
is
to say it is not in our space-time concept of place as we
know
it, and it is outside time ,being eternity, so already we are

looking at higher dimensions. The concept is more easily
considered as a spiritual realm. But I think it is beyond that:
Consider, The King of His Kingdom has a special "place" where
he
resides with those he wishes to endow with his INIMITABLE
LOVE.
This dimension is where all power is seated which is outside
the
dimensions of positive and negative influences. No negatives
there. This is the power beyond Satans touch. And I refer to
the
Holy Spirit. That is not a limited power . It is the Power
that
runs everything.
(Talk to me about the original light and power in Creation,
about the power of life, the power in matter, what makes our
universe tick...about Mr Hawking's desire for a Theory of
Everything...and his concept that original power is light...)
Within that Power is no evil, it is a lack of evil, Mr Einstein.

The term "dimension", not familiar to all, is current practice

and refers to levels, if you like, of existence.

My mission is to promote understanding on the basis that
science
and "religion" are compatible if understood with some level of

guidance, and a mind to accept
1: that not all science is true,
2: and the scripture is the inspired word of God.

Ross



Who Created Evil?
As you read this, I challenge you to really let it's meaning
sink in. This
eloquently answers one of the profound questions of lif
Did God Create Evil?

The university professor challenged his students with this
question:
"Did God create everything that exists? "
A student bravely replied "Yes, he did!"
"God created everything?" the professor asked.
"Yes, sir," the student replied.
The professor answered, "If God created everything, then God
created evil
since evil exists, and according to the principal that our
works define who
we are, then God is evil."
The professor was quite pleased with himself and boasted to
the students
that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a
myth.>>>>>
Another student raised his hand and said, "Can I ask you a
question
professor?"
"Of course," replied the professor.
The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?"
The professor replied, "Of course it exists. Have you never
been cold?"
The students snickered at the young man's question.
The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist.
According to the
laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the
absence of heat.
Everybody or object is susceptible to study when it has or
transmits
energy, and heat is what makes a body, or matter, have or
transmit energy.

Absolute zero (- 460 degrees F) is the total absence of
heat.
Cold does not
exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if
we
have no
heat.
The student continued. "Professor, does darkness exist?"
The professor responded, "Of course it does."
The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir. Darkness
does not exist
either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light,
we
can study,
but not darkness. In fact we can use Newton's prism to break
white light
into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each
color. You
cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break
into
a world of
darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a
certain space is?
You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct?
Darkness is a
term used by man to describe what happens when there is no
light present."
Finally the young man asked the professor. "Sir, does evil
exist?">>>>>
Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course, as I
have
already said.
We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man's
inhumanity to man.
It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in
the world. These
manifestations are nothing else but evil."
To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at
least it does
not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It
is just like
darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe
the absence of
God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what
happens when man
does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the
cold that
comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when
there is no
light."

The professor sat down.
The young man's name --- Albert Einstein

May today there be peace within you.
May you trust your God that you are exactly where you are
meant to
be.......

52. Poem to reflect our humility

FOREVER SUSTAINED by Ramus Branch, published in THIS ENGLAND, Summer 2005


I am but one tiny pebble on the beach.
I am but one grain of sand in the desert.
I am but one drop of water in the ocean.
I am but one point on a holly leaf, on a
Large holly tree, in a vast holly forest.
I am but one blade of grass in a landscape
That knows no horizon.
Truly I know my place in this world,
Which is itself but a microcosm of the
Galaxies that make up the universe.
And yet…
I am forever sustained in the knowledge
That my every prayerful thought is heeded
By the One who created those limitless
Elements of which
I am but an infinitesimal part


Thankyou to Linda for buying the mag.

51. How to work this site

If you find you cannot access the earlier posts, hit the button "ARCHIVES", then scroll to the start...
The mission statement is no. 1.

50. Not really science nor religion

Martin sent this one in




>Subject: Words Rearranged.

>

>Rather clever.

>

>

>____________________

>Someone out there either has too much spare time or is deadly at Scrabble.

>(Wait till you see the last one)!

>

>

>DORMITORY:

>When you rearrange the letters:

>DIRTY ROOM

>

>PRESBYTERIAN:

>When you rearrange the letters:

>BEST IN PRAYER

>

>ASTRONOMER:

>When you rearrange the letters:

>MOON STARER

>

>DESPERATION:

>When you rearrange the letters:

>A ROPE ENDS IT

>

>THE EYES:

>When you rearrange the letters:

>THEY SEE

>

>GEORGE BUSH:

>When you rearrange the letters:

>HE BUGS GORE

>

>THE MORSE CODE:

>When you rearrange the letters:

>HERE COME DOTS

>

>SLOT MACHINES:

>When you rearrange the letters:

>CASH LOST IN ME

>

>ANIMOSITY:

>When you rearrange the letters:

>IS NO AMITY

>

>ELECTION RESULTS:

>When you rearrange the letters:

>LIES - LET'S RECOUNT

>

>SNOOZE ALARMS:

>When you rearrange the letters:

>ALAS! NO MORE Z 'S

>

>A DECIMAL POINT:

>When you rearrange the letters:

>IM A DOT IN PLACE

>

>THE EARTHQUAKES:

>When you rearrange the letters:

>THAT QUEER SHAKE

>

>ELEVEN PLUS TWO:

>When you rearrange the letters:

>TWELVE PLUS ONE

>

>

>AND FOR THE GRAND FINALE:

>

>MOTHER-IN-LAW:

>When you rearrange the letters:

>WOMAN HITLER

>

>Yep! Someone with waaaaaaaaaaay too much time on their hands! (Probably a

>son-in-law)

>http://www.grisoft.com

49. Venus

A fascinating fact is that when space exploration identifies elements on other planets, as they do, it is the same old , just like we have on earth. Maybe not the same atmosphere, not the same temperatures and living conditions for life as we know it, but familiar territory nevertheless.
So why would Venus have a lava flood like Noah's flood?
See previous post about Noah , no 45.

Wednesday, April 26, 2006

48. 10 steps to sexual sin

This is not as silly as it seems. I heard about it from "the platform"



By John Piper
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A Biblical Analysis of Ten Steps Toward Sexual Sin

Pitfalls and Protection for Christian Leaders
June 28, 1987

Background:

Gary Hart's withdrawal from the presidential campaign after what appeared to be sexual involvement with another woman besides his wife.
The subsequent comments by one of our congressman on national radio that this was picky because the reason the Gospel writers left out 30 years of Jesus' ministry was that he was doing all the same sorts of things we have done, and they had best be kept under cover!!
Jim Bakker's sexual involvement and blackmail and attempted justification of luxury and cavalier attitude to the seriousness of sin and the price of vindication.
Gordon McDonald's extramarital affair during the time when he was moving from his church to the presidency of Inter-Varsity.
The drunken-driving of a Biship in Minnesota.
The divorces of two major evangelical writers on leadership and relationships.
Leadership article some years ago on a pastors slavery to lust.
Ten steps toward sexual sin
1. Falling in love with the present world.
"For Demas, in love with this present world, has deserted me and gone to Thessalonica." (2 Timothy 4:10)

Once Demas was a partner in the work (Col. 4:14, "Luke the beloved Physician and Demas greet you."
Philemon 24).

But the world became to attractive and desirable for him, and he forsook his leadership role in the church, and decided to go and satisfy his desire for the world.

What is it about the world that leaders are tempted to love?

Jesus pointed out several things:

Acclain and Prestige
"Beware of the scribes, who like to go about in long robes, and love salutations in the market places and the best seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at feasts." (Luke 20:46)

Riches and Pleasures
". . .but as they go their way they are choked by the cares and riches and pleasures of life, and their fruit does not mature" (Luke 8:14).

Successfull leadership generally esposes the leader more and more to the alluring forces of prestige makes an array of worldly pleasures more and more accessible (because of travel, higher salary, wider circulation, etc.).

2. Loss of horror at offending the majesty of God's holiness through sin.
"Nathan said to David, 'You are the man. Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, I anointed you king over Israel, and delivered you out of the hand of Saul; and I gave you your master's house, and your master's wives into your bosom, and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah; and if this were too little, I would add to you as much more. Why have you despised the word of the Lord, to do what is evil in his sight? . . . Now therefore the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised me, and taken the wife of Uriah?'" (2 Sam. 12:7-10).

Are leaders under so much pressure to make people happy (lest they lose their crowds) that they forsake the message of God's holiness and sin's horror, with the result that they gradually turn the gospel of grace into leniency and then license and then believe it themselves and act on it—"Grace will abound, so this one sin will not matter that much."

"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell."

In other words perfectly innocent and good thing may need to be sacrificed for the sake of vigilance against sin. But this will not happen where a leader has lost his horror at offending the holiness of God through sin.

Examples: Should a Christian married man have lunch with woman who works in his office? Should you watch television indiscriminately? Should you look at certain magazines?

3. A sense of immunity from accountability and authority.
"I have written something to the church; but Diotrephes, who likes to put himself first (who loves preeminence), does not acknowledge my authority."

When you fall in love with the prestige and power of leadership you gradually begin to secure your "gains" by developing a kind of immunity from accountability and authority.

Example: Billy Graham's long hours of listening to an expert on France; and his surrounding himself with a team of counsellors and listening to them.

4. Succumbing to itching ears as love of truth evaporates.
"For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings, and will turn away from listening to the truth" (2 Tim. 4:3-4).

Once the love of truth is weakened by the love for ears integrity has no leg to stand on. Every manner of rationalization and compromise to meet the demands of the expanding audience take over.

Examples: Omitting difficult doctrines, oversimplifying moral or social or theological issues, gravitating toward health, wealth and prosperity teachings, dishonest procedures (counselors keep eyes open though he said "every ey would be shut").

Implications for personal sexual morality: a mentality of relativism and expediency begins to govern the mind. This weakens all firm moral resolve. The audience is to be massaged—its ears are to be itched—into approval to gratify the power and pleasure needs of the leader; and soon the same procedure governs sexual relations: anything is Okay if you are satisfying her itch and yours.

Since scratching itching ears is a very warm and personal thing, it is easy for such leaders to contrast their approach with the "cold" concern for truth. And so immunity from doctrinal criticism is created with a heavy dose of relational antibodies. The language of love and forgiveness and acceptance abounds—but for those who have eyes to see it is a camaflouge to cover the abandonment of a love for truth.

"The coming of the lawless one by the activity of Satan will be with all power and with pretended signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are to perish, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved" (2 Thess. 2:9-10).

5. A vanishing attention to Scripture.
"All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work" (2 Tim. 3:16-17).

It is the Scripture that reproves us when we are headed in the wrong direction; corrects and turns us in the right way; and then trains us how to stay there. It makes the leader complete and ready for every good work.

But in many leaders it begins to take a back seat to storytelling, and social analysis, and family discussions and psychological diagnoses, and all kinds of things which in themselves are innocent, but which begin to usurp the priority of the inspired word of God.

The Bible begins to get token reference, exposition recedes, biblical sounding slogans (like peace, justice, kingdom, mutuality, grace, acceptance, wholeness) begin to replace specific sentences, contextual considerations diminish, moral generalities begin replace attention to grammatical detail, and soon the Bible in its pointed specificity is not the authority, but rather the ideas of man.

Effect on sexuality: The lusts of the flesh can much more easily exploit a fuzzy moral generality than it can a firm precise specific Biblical prohibition. There is a hermeneutic that leads to adultery. Loose and sloppy handling of Scripture will lead to loose and sloppy living.

6. A growing disregard for the spiritual good of his followers.
"The Lord will smite Israel, as a reed shaken in the water, and root Israel out of this good land. . .And he will give Israel up because of the sins of Jeroboam, which he sinned and which he made Israel to sin" (1 Kings 14:15-16).

This incentive no to sin diminishes as a disregard for the people takes over.

Right after saying that the scribes love salutations in the market places and the best seats in the synagogues, Jesus says, without even starting a new sentence,

". . .who devour widows houses. . ."

And then he tells the story of the widow's mite. The point here is that the more we love the prestige of our leadership the less we will love the people we lead. And the less we love them, the less we will care what becomes of them. And so the vigilance to guard ourselves from sin FOR THEIR SAKE will vanish, and sexual immorality will not seem as dreadful as it once did.

7. Disregard for the Biblical mystery of marriage.
A man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one. This is a great mystery, and I take it to mean Christ and the church" (Eph. 5:32).

The mystery of marriage is that God created it to be a drama of Christ's relation to the church. How we treat our wives is a dramatic statement of how we think Christ should treat the church. How wives treat their husbands is a dramatic statement how they think the church should treat Christ.

The deepest Biblical meaning of marriage has to do with Christ and how he is portrayed to the world. Adultery is like casting Jesus Christ in the lead role of an X-rated movie. Therefore one long step toward adultery is to forget or disregard this Biblical mystery of marriage.

8. Compartmentalizing of the leader's life.
In the NT the leader's home life is an essential part of his qualification for church leadership. In other words, the NT will not allow us to compartmentalize our life so that some parts of it is irrelevant to the issue of leadership.

"Now an overseer should be above reproach, the husband of one wife. . . He must manage his own household well, keeping his children submissive and respectful in every way; for if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how can he care for God's church?" (1 Tim. 3:2,4-5; Titus 1:6).

Thus one stepping stone toward adultery is the compartmentalizing of life that says one sin in this area need not jeopardize my life in another area.

9. The sense of being above the necessity of suffering and self-denial.
Right after telling Timothy that as a leader he should "entrust [the truth] to faithful men who will be able to teach others also," he says,

"Take your share of suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. No soldier on service gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim is to satisfy the one who enlisted him. An athlete is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules. It is the hard working farmer who ought to have the first share of the crops" (2 Tim. 2:3-6).

Generally with successful leadership comes the possibility of avoiding suffering—there is more money, more people ready to do you favors, more expectation to go first class, more freedom to delegate scrut work, etc.

Very easily the mindset can emerge that it is indeed fitting for me not to suffer. Perhaps there is a high lifestyle appropriate for my position of prestige. Perhaps the perks of power are a good testimony to the goodness of God.

Gradually the leader begins to justify exorbitance of all kinds because he is doing his part for the war effort by being the public rallying point, and there is not need to live like a common soldier. He is so important in the church or the organization that he is above the ordinary demands of suffering and discipline.

10. Giving in to self-pity under the pressures and loneliness of leadership.
The stronger the impulse of self-pity, the more inclined we are to reward ourselves with unusual treats. The more we pity ourselves for how hard life is the more easily we justify a little extra pleasure—even illicit sexual pleasure.

What goes on inside the head of a Christian leader when he is about to fall for the affection of another woman and commit adultery? I don't know. But perhaps something like this:

"Nobody else understands my pressures. Nobody else seems to feel for me in my loneliness the way she does. If any of them knew what I was going through in this leadership role, they would understand why I need this kind of embrace, I need this kind of "unconditional acceptance". I have borne enough of the burden of being everybody's spiritual example, I can't take it any more. And I don't care if they don't approve."

Self-pity is a crippling power. Here's how Paul handled it:

At my first defense no one took my part; all deserted me. May it not be charged against them! But the Lord stood by me and gave me strength to proclaim the word fully" (2 Tim. 4:16-17).

The Lord must be our portion or we will cave into self-pity and all the sin it brings.

Biblical protection from these pitfalls.
1. Falling in love with the present world.
Think hard about the Biblical warnings against love for the world in 1 John 2:15 and 17,

"If any one loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. . . The world passes away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides for ever."

And in James 4:4,

"Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God."

And think hard about the infinitely superior taste of the clear mountain springs of God's approval and fellowship and beauty.

"Thou hast put more joy in my heart than they have when their grain and wine abound" (Psalm 4:7).

"Whom have I in heaven but thee and there is nothing on earth that I desire besides thee. My flesh and my heart may fail, but God is the strength of my heart and my portion for ever" (Psalm 73:25-26).

2. Loss of horror at offending the majesty of God's holiness through sin.
Meditate on the Biblical truth that all our acts are acts toward God and not just toward man:

"Against thee and thee only have I sinned!" (Psalm 51:4).

. . .and that God is so high and holy and pure that he will not countenance the slightest sin, but hates it with omnipotent hatred.

"Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity" (Hab. 1:13).

"The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the Lord: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness" (Prov. 15:9).

"The Lord trieth the righteous, but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth" (Psalm 11:5).

. . .and that the holiness of God is the most valuable treasure in the universe and the very deepest of delights to those whose way is pure.

"Ascribe to the Lord the glory of his name;

worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness" (Psalm 29:2).

"The meek shall obtain fresh joy in the Lord, and the poor among men shall exult in the Holy One of Israel" (Isaiah 29:19).

3. A sense of immunity from accountability and authority.
Submit yourself to a council of Biblically minded, spiritually wise advisers.

"Without counsel plans go wrong,
but with many advisers they succeed" (Prov. 15:22).

4. Succumbing to itching ears as love of truth evaporates.
Cultivate a love for truth, even in its smallest details, and turn a deaf ear to the desires of men to have their ears scratched with vague moralisms that massage them in their sin.

"He who is faithful in very little will be faithful also in much; and he who is dishonest in very little is dishonest also in much" (Luke 16:10).

"Teacher, we know that you are true, and care for no man; for you do not regard the position of men, but truly teach the way of God" (Mark 12:14).

5. A vanishing attention to Scripture.
Give yourself untiringly to the study, meditation and memorization of Holy Scripture.

"Strive to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth" (2 Tim. 2:15)

"On his law he meditates day and night" (Psalm 1:2).

"Thy word have I hid in my heart that I might not sin against thee" (Psalm 119:11).

6. A growing disregard for the spiritual good of his followers.
Labor in prayer and caring to stir up your heart to love all your people.

"May the Lord make you increase and abound in love to one another and to all men" (1 Thess. 3:12).

"Let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works" (Heb. 10:24).

7. Disregard for the Biblical mystery of marriage.
Remind yourself repeatedly that your marriage is a living drama of Christ's relationship to the church. Let your thoughts about your wife rise from the ordinary to the extraordinary by faith in the truth of Ephesians 5:32.

"This is a great mystery, and I take it to mean Christ and the church."

8. Compartmentalizing of the leader's life.
View everything—absolutely everything—as woven together by its relationship to the value of the glory of God.

"Whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God" (1 Cor. 10:31).

"Whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus" (Col. 3:17).

9. The sense of being above the necessity of suffering and self-denial.
Never forget the promise: "Through many tribulations we must enter the kingdom of God" (Acts 14:22). And never forget that the Son of Man had no place to lay his head (Luke 9:58). And never forget thatAnd develop a Biblical theology of futility and suffering, especially from Romans 8:17-30.

"Not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies" (Rom. 8:23).

10. Giving in to self-pity under the pressures and loneliness of leadership.
Embrace the essence of Christian Hedonism—that no one who suffers the loss of any earthly blessing in the service of Christ will fail to be repaid 100-fold now ("The Lord stood by me!"—2 Tim. 4:17 ) with persecutions, and in the age to come eternal life" (Mark 10:29-30). Self-pity is unbelief.

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47. Short testimonies

Definitely a short story is easier to read and can exhilarate, exacerbate, integrate or exterminate as well as a lo-o-o-ng screed like those below. There is a lesson here about keeping one's testimony short, yes?

46. Previous Post leaves doubts

In the previous post, Mr Baumgardner discusses some interesting ideas.
He talks about the next decade, if you notice he was interviewed 9 years ago....
Another thing he talks about is an event evidenced on Venus parallel with Noah's flood.
Now we could ask Angelo about that, if there was a parallel to Noah, on Venus.
Wouldn't it be nice to be able to ask these questions of a real live angel?

45. Science and Noah's flood

Scientists Who Believe: An Interview with Dr. John Baumgardner

Author: John Baumgardner
Subject: Creation/evolution Overviews
Date: 2/22/98

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Last year, U.S. News & World Report (June 16, 1997) devoted a respectful four-page article to the work of Dr John Baumgardner, calling him "the world's pre-eminent expert in the design of computer models for geophysical convection." Dr. Baumgardner earned degrees from Texas Tech University (B.S., electrical engineering), and Princeton University (M.S., electrical engineering), and earned a Ph.D. in geophysics and space physics from UCLA. Since 1984 he has been employed as a technical staff member at Los Alamos (New Mexico) National Laboratory.

The views expressed in the following interview do not necessarily represent the views of Los Alamos National Laboratory or the United States government.

Why did you choose a career in science?

Dr. Baumgardner: As far back as I can recall I seemed to have had an aptitude in scientific things. When I was about six years old, before I started school, friends of my parents and relatives would bring broken appliances for me to work on and fix. I had my own little workbench in my dad's shop where I would work on those electrical appliances. My sense is that I was gifted from birth with a natural ability. Science was an area of strength in school, so it wasn't unnatural for me to select a science major in college.

What are your goals as a scientist?

Dr. Baumgardner: I would say my primary goal in my scientific career is a defense of God's Word, plain and simple. In our day it's like the Philistines in the days of Saul and David. When David came to the battle to bring some supplies to his brothers, he heard Goliath taunting the armies of Israel. And David said, "Who is this uncircumcised Philistine that he should defy the armies of the living God?" (1 Samuel 17:26). I believe the church is like the Israelite army, cowering in the face of Goliath, when there ought to be people stepping forth to slay Goliath. God's Word is being mocked and ridiculed today throughout the academic world, and I say it's time for Christians to stand up and take on these challenges.

Soon after I became a Christian, when I was 26 years old, I started to see what was going on. I guess God put it in my heart to try to do something about this situation.

John, how are you incorporating the Word of God into your daily work as a geophysicist?

Dr. Baumgardner: I'm trying to understand what happened to the Earth in Noah's flood and put together a solid scientific case that supports the biblical account of a world- destroying catastrophic flood.

Back in 1978 I felt strongly led to go back to graduate school and get professional credentials to work on the problem of what happened to the Earth in the flood. As part of my Ph.D. research, I developed a three-dimensional model for the Earth's interior called Terra. Today it is recognized as the most capable code computer model of its type in the world. Currently NASA is funding this effort as one of their nine grand challenge projects in high performance computing for the next three years, It's recognized as a unique tool for understanding the dynamics of the mantle of the Earth.

What is NASA's interest in this project? Your goal sounds like it's different from theirs.

Dr. Baumgardner: Well, they see it as an important means for solving as yet unanswered questions about the Earth. They have a number of satellite observation programs for monitoring the Earth and measuring tectonic motions of the Earth's surface. They see my computer model as complementing some of these observational programs. They see it as cutting- edge science. And the model can be applied to the other terrestrial planets of the solar system - Venus, Mars, and Mercury in particular.

How do your Christian beliefs and values affect your work? How should a Christian view science?

Dr. Baumgardner: I believe science as we know it is a product of the Christian worldview. It was only in the Christian world that science developed and I believe could have developed. For example, in the Buddhist or Hindu worldview this physical realm is more or less regarded as an illusion and not representing ultimate reality. Of course, Christians don't regard this world as eternal, but nevertheless it's real. Science has flowed from a Christian understanding of reality, a Christian understanding of God, and a Christian understanding of the natural world. In general I believe that science is legitimate, that it does reveal the glory of God, that it does confirm what the Scriptures say is valid and true.

John, how has your work in geophysics confirmed your faith?

Dr. Baumgardner: I believe that there is strong evidence in favor of the proposition that the Earth has suffered a major cataclysm in the past that is responsible for most of the fossil-bearing portions of the sedimentary record.

The great flood of Noah's day?

Dr. Baumgardner: Yes. There's an abrupt beginning to the portion of the geological record that contains fossils. There's a worldwide discontinuity in the record, above which we find fossils, below which we do not. Above that boundary there is abundant evidence that the sedimentary layers were deposited rapidly by processes that were global in lateral extent-a regime dramatically different from anything we can observe on the Earth today The majority of the sedimentary record since that point is the product of global catastrophism.

My work in particular has focused on what conceivable mechanism could result in such an event. I believe I have identified it or at least a likely candidate for a mechanism.

And what is that?

Dr. Baumgardner: The name that other people have applied to this process is thermal runaway. Tectonic plates of the Earth's surface can slide down into the hot mantle that comprises about the outer 2,000 miles of the Earth. What I'm finding is that this runaway process involving the tectonic plates can indeed occur and cause a massive catastrophe at the Earth's surface.

One exciting discovery from the Magellan mission to Venus in the early 1990s was that Venus had been entirely resurfaced in the relatively recent past. The high resolution images showed the surface of Venus had been catastrophically flooded with lava, presumably as a result of some process interior to the planet. All the ancient craters had been obliterated by this lava. The images show hardly any change of a geological nature has occurred on Venus since this catastrophe.

So within our own solar system we now have at least one indisputable example of global tectonic catastrophe. This was exciting to me because for years I had been investigating a similar possibility for the Earth. I firmly believe the idea of a global tectonic catastrophe on the Earth is not a far-fetched idea, but close to being established scientific fact.

And, of course, this supports what the Scripture has said all along about the past history of the Earth.

How have your colleagues responded when they discover you believe in God and the Bible?

Dr. Baumgardner: On the whole my colleagues respect my Christian faith. Many don't agree, necessarily, but they generally convey respect. Others are mostly quiet and choose not to engage me. It's rare that one of my colleagues will directly challenge me on my beliefs or my scientific conclusions.

Have you found that your work as a credible scientist actually gives you open doors to share the gospel with others?

Dr. Baumgardner: Yes, it gives me a number of opportunities to share with people. In several cases people have come to faith in Christ as a result of these interactions. I'm working with a scientist from mainland China right now. I've been studying the Bible on a weekly basis with him and he's very close, I believe, to receiving Christ.

Actually, I don't see any great difference between scientists and other people. They have families, all kinds of personal needs, and trials in their lives. There's a group of scientists here at Los Alamos, mostly Christians, who meet every Friday. We call it Megaviews Forum. We study books that are relevant to some world-view topic. Currently we're going through a book that reveals spectacular and sweeping correlations between Egyptian history and the biblical record.

How do you deal with the creation/evolution controversy?

Dr. Baumgardner: If ever there was in the history of mankind clear evidence for creation, evidence for a Super- Intelligence behind what we see today, it's the genetic code. Incredibly complex information structures, coded in DNA, form the genetic blueprints for every living organism. Evolutionists have absolutely no clue as to how such structures could arise by natural processes, much less how the code itself could come into existence.

Actually, evolutionists do not have a viable mechanism for macroevolution at any stage, whether we're talking about the origin of a first living cell or the origin of new structures in existing organisms. Natural selection and mutation alone are pitifully inadequate to account for what we see, especially with our current understanding of molecular biology.

And in the area of Earth science, uniformitarianism-the idea that the present is the key to the past, that the present can explain the past-is essentially obsolete. It won't be long, in my opinion, before that idea completely collapses.

Because there's so much evidence for catastrophism?

Dr. Baumgardner: That's right. The evidence for catastrophism supports an entirely different understanding of the fossil record-that it's a product of a single catastrophe rather than hundreds of millions of vears of gradual change.

Would you encourage Christian young people to pursue careers in your field? What advice would you give them?

Dr. Baumgardner: I'm sympathetic to Christians who recognize that much of the information portrayed as science in the media and in public schools is hostile to Christian belief. For Christians who are not scientifically trained, it's legitimate that they are alarmed and concerned.

On the other hand, I believe that true science is consistent with Scripture and is not to be feared or shunned. My advice would be for Christians who have this kind of concern to get in contact with some of the organizations that are attempting to deal with these issues from a Christian perspective.

Would I encourage Christian young people to pursue careers in science? I believe they should first of all seek God's direction. There's a great opportunity for Christians trained at a professional level to make a significant impact for the truth in a wide spectrum of scientific fields. If Christian young people have obvious scientific abilities and sense the leading of God, I would encourage them to pursue such a career, but they need to understand that science is a realm where intense spiritual warfare occurs. To pursue a career in science today as a Christian, one must be keenly aware that a real battle for the mincls and hearts of people is raging right now in almost every discipline of science.

But God is very much involved with his people today. He's raising up scientists all over the world, and I believe he's going to raise up in the next few years a mighty witness to the accuracy of his Word. I sense that I'm a part of that, and I'm especially excited about what's going to happen in the decade ahead.


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44. Scientists who believe in God

Scientists and Belief in God
by John P. Pratt

There are as many scientists who believe in God today as there were a century ago, and more scientists are now studying the marvels of nature to copy them in order to improve our lives. Louis Agassiz, perhaps the greatest natural scientist of the nineteenth century, declared, "It is the job of prophets and scientists alike to proclaim the glories of God."

Throughout history, most scientists have been believers in God, but during the last few centuries the scientific trend has been toward atheism. God's laws are so effective that the universe seems to just run itself. Scientists have been very successful explaining many phenomena without the need for any intervening hand from deity. But now the trend toward atheism may be reversing.

By 1914 only 40% of scientists stated that they believed in God, according to a poll quoted in Scientific American. It had been assumed at that time that as scientists discovered more and more of the laws of nature that the trend would increase until virtually all scientists were atheists. The authors of the 1999 article note that recently there has been a trend reported in the news that a reconciliation between science and religion is underway:


"Now, at the turn of the millennium, comes a movement bent on reconciling science and religion. New books hail the divine in physics, biology, even computer information theory. Last year 'SCIENCE FINDS GOD' emblazoned the cover of Newsweek, and other leading news magazines picked up on the theme. More conferences than ever feature dialogues between 'the two ways of knowing.' By one report, US higher education now boasts 1,000 courses for credit on science and faith, whereas a student in the sixties would have long dug in hardscrabble to find even one. Scientists who are older and tenured, it is said, feel it is time to give witness to their once closeted or newly found faith."[1]
The authors of that article set out to determine whether the atheistic trend in science had increased or not. They repeated the questions of the 1914 poll to the same level of scientists and discovered that today there are still 40% of scientists who believe in God. They conclude, "scientists today no more jettison Christianity's 'two cardinal beliefs' than their counterparts did in 1914. Gallup surveys suggest the same about the general population." They go on to report that among scientists in the top positions the atheistic trend does appear to be increasing, but they also note that it has been pointed out that, "There's a reward system to being irreligious in the upper echelons." Thus, it has been suggested that the extreme atheism at the very top is probably more of a result of "200 years of marketing that if you want to be a scientific person you've got to keep your mind free of the fetters of religion."

This recent poll may have detected the bottom on the cycle and the percentage of hard scientists who are believers may well now begin to increase. Before looking at evidence supporting this position, let's consider the thoughts of two of the greatest scientists on their belief in God. Sir Isaac Newton is often considered to be the greatest physicist of all time. He really did "write the book" on the laws of physics. While Newton is known principally for his work in physics, he also produced many volumes on the subject of religion. He wrote a commentary on the book of Daniel and the book of Revelations, and he wrote on the chronology of ancient kingdoms.[2] As an example of his seeing no problem whatsoever in using science to discover truth about religion, he used his own newly discovered laws governing the motion of the moon to reconstruct the Judean calendar at the time of Christ in order to calculate the exact date of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. He was about two hundred years ahead of his time with this idea. His work was repeated with the same results in the early 1900's by scientists who thought they were doing it for the first time, and his method is still the best way known to make this determination.[3]

Here are a sample of the religious writings of Sir Isaac Newton:


"And the gospel is that Jesus is the Christ. 'Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.' I John v.I. ... And all this is the Gospel which Christ sent his disciples to teach all nations ...

"Repentance and the remission of sins relate to transgressions against the two first commandments. We are to forsake the Devil, that is, all false gods and all manner of idolatry, this being a breach of the first and great commandment. And we are to forsake the flesh and the world, or as the Apostle John expressed it, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eye and the pride of life, that is, unchastity, covetousness, pride and ambition; these things being a breach of the second of the two great commandments. And we are to believe in one God, the father, almighty in dominion, the maker of heaven and earth and of all things therein, and in our Lord Jesus Christ, the son of God, who was born of a Virgin and sacrificed for us on the cross, and the third day rose again from the dead and ascended unto heaven...

And as for the Christian worship, we are authorized in scripture to give glory and honour to God the Father, because he hath created all things, and to the Lamb of God, because he hath redeemed us with his blood and is our Lord, and to direct our prayers to God the Father in the name of Christ ..."[4]
Another excellent example of a great scientist who had a strong belief in the existence of God was Louis Agassiz, who "is acknowledged even by current researchers as the greatest natural scientist of his day."[5] He discovered the Ice Age, founded both the Museum of Comparative Anatomy at Harvard, and with his wife established the great women's college Radcliffe. Here are a sample of his outlook on how science should bring us closer to God:


"In our study of natural objects we are approaching the thoughts of the Creator, reading his conceptions, interpreting a system that is His and not ours."[6]

"Facts are the words of God, and we may heap them together endlessly, but they will teach us little or nothing till we place them in their true relations, and recognize the thought that binds them together."[7]
Agassiz was a champion of divine creation and devoted the last years of his life to defending it. He declared that "It is the job of prophets and scientists alike to proclaim the glories of God," and he spent his life as a scientist doing exactly that. He died in 1873, and when the St. George temple was dedicated only four years later, he was one of the eminent men who came there with the signers of the Declaration of Independence to request of President Wilford Woodruff that his temple work be done.[8]

After Agassiz, the scientific trend shifted as a majority of scientists began to feel they understood the laws of nature well enough to explain their observations without requiring a belief in God. However, as noted above, a core of scientists who do believe in God has persisted, and does not show any signs of decreasing in percentage. These scientists continue to see the hand of God reflected in all of his creations. As Ralph Waldo Emerson stated, "The true doctrine of omnipresence is that God reappears with all his parts in every moss and cobweb."[9]

Today there is another interesting trend. It is that the number of inventions based on copying nature is now beginning to be systematically exploited. In so doing, one need not even bring up the argument over whether "nature" refers to the handiwork of God or millions of years of mindless evolution; all that matters is that nature is incredibly successful at solving problems with which we have struggled for years.

This trend began by noticing that many inventions were discovered from observing how "nature" had solved problems. Inventors spent centuries trying to invent the airplane after watching birds fly. The book Serendipity: Accidental Discoveries in Science chronicles several of these observations which led to inventions. It also includes some discoveries that really appear to have been accidents, but many came from simply noticing the invention already working in nature, and using scientific inquiry to discover just how they work. Examples of such inventions include Velcro, which resulted when George deMestral looked to see why burs stuck so tightly to his clothing. Electric current was discovered in animals when it was noticed by Luigi Galvani that a dissected frog leg twitched as it lay near an electrostatic generator. Many colors appeared only in nature. For example, the color purple is associated with royalty partly because the natural dye Tyrian purple could only be extracted from small mollusks in the Mediterranean Sea. It was very expensive because it took 9,000 of them to produce a gram of dye. The synthesis of this color by William Perkin led to the birth of the synthetic dye industry. Certain peptides which are highly effective in fighting a variety of bacteria were discovered when it was observed that some African frogs would heal perfectly in murky water filled with lethal bacteria. The list goes on and on.[10]

Now a trend is beginning to strengthen to systemically copy nature. The word "biomimicry" has been coined to refer to the idea of purposely copying nature to discover new inventions. The author of a book with that title sees this emerging field as the result of centuries of trying to fight nature as gradually succumbing to a trend to acknowledge nature's ways as best. She points out that not only has nature already invented everything we have, it has many more inventions whose workings still evade us:


"We realize that all our inventions have already appeared in nature in a more elegant form and at a lot less cost to the planet. Our most clever architectural struts and beams are already featured in lily pads and bamboo stems. Our central heating and air conditioning are bested by the termite tower's steady 86 degrees F. Our most stealthy radar is hard of hearing compared to the bat's multifrequency transmission. And our new 'smart materials' can't hold a candle to the dolphin's skin or to the butterfly's proboscis. Even the wheel, which we always took to be a uniquely human creation has been found in the tiny rotary motor that propels the flagellum of the world's most ancient bacteria.

"Humbling also are the horders of organisms casually performing feats we can only dream about. Bioluminescent algae splash chemicals together to light their body lanterns. Arctic fish and frogs freeze solid and then spring to life, having protected their organs from ice damage. Black bears hibernate all winter without poisoning themselves on their urea, while their polar cousins stay active, with a coat of transparent hollow hairs covering their skins like the panes of a greenhouse. Chameleons and cuttlefish hide without moving, changing the pattern of their skin to instantly blend with their surroundings. Bees, turtles, and birds navigate without maps, while whales and penguins dive without scuba gear. How do they do it? How do dragonflies outmaneuver our best helicopters? How do hummingbirds cross the Gulf of Mexico on less than one tenth of an ounce of fuel? How do ants carry the equivalent of hundreds of pounds in a dead heat through the jungle?

"These individual achievements pale, however, when we consider the intricate interliving that characterizes whole systems, communities like tidal marshes or saguaro forests. In ensemble, living things maintain a dynamic stability, like dancers in an arabesque, continually juggling resources without waste.... Studying these poems day in and day out, biomimics develop a high degree of awe, bordering on reverence."[11]
No wonder that these marvelous creations inspire awe and reverence; they are the work of the Almighty. When we look on any or the least of these, we are looking at God moving in his majesty and power.

One final note is the following. While the above book assumes, as do most scientists, that these wonders of nature just "happened" by themselves, there is also a growing group of scientists who recognize that no random processes could have resulted in many of these inventions. The natural inventions which must have been "designed" rather than occurring by chance are those in which each of the many parts would have been useless to the creature unless they all just happened to spring into existence at the same time.

An example of such an inventions include the mechanism which clots our blood when we are cut. The system contains a series of inhibitors which prevent blood from clotting when it shouldn't, which would cause a stroke. There are a whole series of complicated chemicals in the system which are only useful as part of the blood clotting mechanism. All of them are necessary for the system to work, and in forty years of attempts, no one has been able to explain how the system could have evolved by chance.[12]

The new millennium promises to provide many new and wonderful inventions as scientists recognize the hand of God in nature and begin to understand the principles behind so many inventions which are found everywhere in His creations.


Notes

1. Larson, Edward J. and Witham, Larry, "Scientists and Religion in America," Scientific American 281 No. 3 (Sep 1999), pp. 88-93.
2. Newton, Isaac. The Chronology of Ancient Kingdoms Amended, [1728], reprinted in Histories & Mysteries of Man , London, 1988. Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel and the Apocalypse of St. John, London, J. Darby and T. Browne, 1733.

3. Pratt, J.P., "Newton's Date for the Crucifixion,"Quarterly Journal of Royal Astronomical Society 32, (Sept. 1991), 301-304.

4. McLachlan, H., Sir Isaac Newton: Theological Manuscripts, Liverpool, 1950, pp. 29-35.

5. Gould, Stephen Jay, "Agassiz in the Galapagos," Natural History, 90, no. 12 (12 Dec 1981).

6. Agassiz, Louis, Methods of Study in Natural History, Boston: Ticknor and Fields, 1863, p. 14.

7. Agassiz, Louis, "Evolution and Permanence Type" reprinted in The Intelligence of Agassiz by Guy Davenport, Westport, Conn., Greenwood Press, 1983, p. 231.

8. Anderson, Vicki Jo, The Other Eminent Men of Wilford Woodruff, 1994, pp. 9-18. The quotes referenced in notes 5-7 were also quoted herein.

9. Emerson, Ralph Waldo, "Compensation," from Essays: First Series Vol. II.

10. Royston M. Roberts, Serendipity: Accidental Discoveries in Science, Wiley & Sons, New York, 1989.

11. Benyus, Janine M., Biomimicry, William Morrow, New York, 1997, pp. 6-7.

12. Behe, Michael J., Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution, Free Press, New York, 1996, pp. 74-97.



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John P. Pratt writes a monthly column for Meridian Magazine giving one L.D.S. perspective on current science. He has a Ph.D. in astronomy and specializes in religious chronology and ancient calendars. He teaches at Utah Valley State College and also does programming for Novell. He has authored several articles in the Ensign and professional journals, many of which can be found on his web site at http://www.johnpratt.com. His lovely wife Ruth has written books on family history. They are the parents of five wonderful children.

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43. Evolution coexists

Evolution and Religion Can Coexist, Scientists Say
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Still, science does contradict a literal interpretation of the first chapter of Genesis in the Bible—on the origin of the universe—which says that God created heaven and the Earth and the species on it in six days.

Scientific evidence shows that the universe was actually formed about 13.7 billion years ago, while the Earth was formed around 4.5 billion years ago. The first humans date back only a hundred thousand years or so.

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Like other scientists of faith, Primack, who is Jewish and reads the Bible regularly, argues that the Bible must not be taken literally, but should be read allegorically.

"One simply cannot read the Bible as a scientific text, because it's often contradictory," Primack said. "For example, in the Bible, Noah takes two animals and puts them on the Ark. But in a later section, he takes seven pairs of animals. If this is the literal word of God, was God confused when He wrote it?"

Proving God

Science is young. The term "scientist" may not even have been coined until 1833. Ironically, modern physics initially sought to explain the clockwork of God's creation. Geology grew partly out of a search for evidence of Noah's Flood.

Today few scientists seem to think much about religion in their research. Many are reluctant to stray outside their area of expertise and may not feel a need to invoke God in their work.

"Most scientists like to operate in the context of economy," said Brian Greene, a world-renowned physicist and author of The Fabric of the Cosmos: Space, Time, and the Texture of Reality. "If you don't need an explanatory principle, don't invoke it."

There is, of course, no way to prove religious faith scientifically. And it's hard to envision a test that could tell the difference between a universe created by God and one that appeared without God.

"There's no way that scientists can ever rule out religion, or even have anything significant to say about the abstract idea of a divine creator," Greene said.

Instead, Greene said, science and religion can operate in different realms. "Science is very good at answering the 'how' questions. How did the universe evolve to the form that we see?" he said. "But it is woefully inadequate in addressing the 'why' questions. Why is there a universe at all? These are the meaning questions, which many people think religion is particularly good at dealing with."

But is a clean separation between science and religion possible? Some scientific work, including such hot topics as stem cell research, has moral and religious implications.

"Religion is about ethics, or what you should do, while science is about what's true," Primack said. "Those are different things, but of course what you should do is greatly determined by what's true."

Natural Laws

In a 1997 survey in the science journal Nature, 40 percent of U.S. scientists said they believe in God—not just a creator, but a God to whom one can pray in expectation of an answer. That is the same percentage of scientists who were believers when the survey was taken 80 years earlier.

But the number may have been higher if the question had simply asked about God's existence. While many scientists seem to have no problem with deism—the belief that God set the universe in motion and then walked away—others are more troubled with the concept of an intervening God.

"Every piece of data that we have indicates that the universe operates according to unchanging, immutable laws that don't allow for the whimsy or divine choice to all of a sudden change things in a manner that those laws wouldn't have allowed to happen on their own," Greene said.

Yet recent breakthroughs in chaos theory and quantum mechanics, for example, also suggest that the workings of the universe cannot be predicted with absolute precision.

To many scientists, their discoveries may not be that different from religious revelations. Science advancements may even draw scientists closer to religion.

"Even as science progresses in its reductionist fashion, moving towards deeper, simpler, and more elegant understandings of particles and forces, there will still remain a 'why' at the end as to why the ultimate rules are the way they are," said Ted Sargent, a nanotechnology expert at the University of Toronto.

"This is where many people will find God, and the fact of having a final unanswerable 'why' will not go away, even if the 'why' gets more and more fundamental as we progress," he said.

Brian Greene believes we are taking giant strides toward understanding the deepest laws of the universe. That, he says, has strengthened his belief in the underlying harmony and order of the cosmos.

"The universe is incredibly wondrous, incredibly beautiful, and it fills me with a sense that there is some underlying explanation that we have yet to fully understand," he said. "If someone wants to place the word God on those collections of words, it's OK with me."

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42. Some scientists are believers

Scientists' Belief in God Varies Starkly by Discipline
By Robert Roy Britt
LiveScience Staff Writer
posted: 11 August 2005
02:24 pm ET

About two-thirds of scientists believe in God, according to a new survey that uncovered stark differences based on the type of research they do.

The study, along with another one released in June, would appear to debunk the oft-held notion that science is incompatible with religion.

Those in the social sciences are more likely to believe in God and attend religious services than researchers in the natural sciences, the study found.

The opposite had been expected.

Nearly 38 percent of natural scientists -- people in disciplines like physics, chemistry and biology -- said they do not believe in God. Only 31 percent of the social scientists do not believe.

In the new study, Rice University sociologist Elaine Howard Ecklund surveyed 1,646 faculty members at elite research universities, asking 36 questions about belief and spiritual practices.

"Based on previous research, we thought that social scientists would be less likely to practice religion than natural scientists are, but our data showed just the opposite," Ecklund said.

Some stand-out stats: 41 percent of the biologists don't believe, while that figure is just 27 percent among political scientists.

In separate work at the University of Chicago, released in June, 76 percent of doctors said they believed in God and 59 percent believe in some sort of afterlife.

"Now we must examine the nature of these differences," Ecklund said today. "Many scientists see themselves as having a spirituality not attached to a particular religious tradition. Some scientists who don't believe in God see themselves as very spiritual people. They have a way outside of themselves that they use to understand the meaning of life."

Ecklund and colleagues are now conducting longer interviews with some of the participants to try and figure it all out.

41. No more dogs in heaven ..,.please

The dog, Ross's dog has been a bit unreliable this week. Seems to coincide with Angelo the ex fallen angel's arrival.
Must be jealous.
And Angelo is careless, like leaving the screen door open. Thats not just any screen door. THE Screen door. For screening entrants to Heavens gate.
So where's the dog gone? The doggone dog has gone. Thru the screen door.
Angelo is livid.
Says I should have better control of the mutt. I said why not him?
He said its not his job. Get them in there and they are out of control.
Angelo said there are no dogs in heaven .They dont like creeping things in there. You have the dominion on earth so it is up to you to reward them as you can, while you can.
But occasionally, thanks to me, you can see where they have been.

Note: To fully understand this silly item, you might like to see previous posts about whether the nicer dogs go to heaven as some would claim.

Scripture:

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.






Scripture:

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

40. Arch angel

I just had to ask Angelo, the ex fallen angel, a riddle.

If the head angel is called an arch angel, what are Satans angels called?






Answer: Fallen arches

Scripture:
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

39. Numbering the posts

There are enough posts here to build a fence.

A hyena and a kookaburra walked into a bar.
The hyena said, 23, and the kookaburra laughed his head off.
The kookaburra then said,28, and they both laughed fit to kill themselves. The hyena responded with ,39, and they both went wild with merriment.
The horse thought, this is the break I am waiting for, he rose to his full height and struggled on, as they say. He thought, I wonder what it is about those numbers that are so hilarious. He goes, 43.
No one laughed. Why, he said to the hyena and the kookaburra, did you not laugh at my story?
76, they replied. ( Its the long face you tell them with )( a horse went into a bar...)

Loosen up.
I am numbering my posts, then a) you will know if you have gone back to the start
b) you can go into a pub with a hyena and a kookaburra and laugh your head off
c) you can tell if I can count

Tuesday, April 25, 2006

38. Science..black holes

High efficiency of black hole 'engines' revealed

13:16 25 April 2006
NewScientist.com news service
Maggie McKee
Steve Allen, Stanford University
John Hawley, University of Virginia
Chandra, Harvard


The efficiency with which black holes convert the gas they eat into beams of high-speed particles spewed back into space has been measured for the first time. The observation bolsters the idea that the jets prevent new stars from forming in the black holes' host galaxies, stunting their galactic growth.

Black holes millions or billions of times more massive than the Sun are thought to lie at the hearts of relatively large galaxies such as the Milky Way. Their intense gravitational pull draws in the gas around them, and a fraction of the energy from this consumption is released back into space.

Some of this energy takes the form of radiation and is produced when matter in a disc around the black hole is super-heated as it is being swallowed. Quasars, for example, are relatively short-lived "active" stages of black holes that are devouring their surroundings and are so bright they can be seen across the entire observable universe.

But the energy released can also take the form of matter that is accelerated to near-light speeds in jets that shoot out from the centre of the disc. Jets are thought to be powered by magnetic fields and the rotation of either the disc, the black hole itself, or both. (Watch an animation of the jets here (Mpeg: NASA/CDC/A Hobart).

However, the role of the jets in the release of the black hole's energy has not been clear. "The question is, are the jets a major player in the system, taking out a good bit of the total energy released?" asks John Hawley, an astronomer at the University of Virginia in Charlottesville, US. "How much stuff do you have to throw down a black hole to get jets out and how powerful would those jets be?"

Blasted cavities

Now, a team led by Steve Allen of Stanford University in California, US, has taken advantage of the high spatial resolution of the Chandra X-ray Observatory to answer those questions.

The team observed nine of the most massive, blob-shaped galaxies within 400 million light years of Earth. All were probably quasars at one time, but have since cut down on the amount of gas they eat and therefore do not shine brightly from their discs as quasars do.

The researchers measured the brightness and temperature of the central regions of the galaxies to determine the rate at which gas was falling into the black holes. Then, they measured the size of cavities blown out by the jets as they slammed into surrounding gas. This provided an estimate of the jets' energy.

"For the first time, we measured both the fuelling rates of black holes and the amount of energy released in jets, allowing us to work out the efficiency of black hole engines," Allen said at a press conference on Monday.

Boring and old?

The jets release about 2.5% of the energy the black holes consume. "That's not too different from what I might have expected," comments Hawley, who adds that quasars are thought to have efficiencies of about 10%.

But the research team members say the result is in fact surprising – these "dead quasars" are much more efficient than thought. Because the black holes studied are not bright like quasars, previous models had suggested they were messy, inefficient eaters and reject 95% of the "food" they tried to swallow, says Chris Reynolds of the University of Maryland in College Park, US.

They seemed to be "boring, old black holes we thought had stopped doing anything interesting a long time ago", he says. "But our work shows that's not true - they're also efficient." And based on the fact that all nine black holes share similar efficiencies, the jets may be stable for several million years – and possibly much longer, says the team.

The jets also have far-reaching effects, says Kim Weaver, an astrophysicist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, US. "They send out energy at enormous scales – hundreds of billions of times larger than the black holes themselves."

The jets may heat the gas in their host galaxies, preventing it from cooling and clumping into new stars. "People are still not certain why the biggest galaxies in the universe aren't even bigger," she says. "This is one way to keep the stars from forming and the galaxies growing bigger."

The research will be published in an upcoming issue of the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.

37. Fantastic wheelchair

http://www.tankchair.com/default.htm

36. Meet Angelo

Blog: Good Morning Angelo, tell us about yourself.
Angelo: I am an angel from yonder.
Blog: Well for starters, why are you called Angelo, that's an Italian name. How can that be?
Angelo: I see you have an enquiring mind, Blog. That's worth points where I come from. Well I haven't always been Angelo, like before I was put out I had a Hebrew name, but Angelo has stuck.
Blog : But you are a real messenger now, what? How did you get back?
Angelo: We just have 2 words for that in our tongue.
Blog: Yes?
Angelo: Mmmm. Mercy and Grace. Does most stuff for us. See, I got put out but I got let back in. Good behaviour sort of. We have just one word to explain that in our language, it might be a bit heavy for you...
Blog: Is it " goodworks"?
Angelo: Funny guy here fellas. No , it is "Repentance". So I did that , and I'm in like Flynn.
Blog: But the Angelo bit?
Angelo: When I left the fold , I went to California. We up here call it Cali PORN ia. Well I am named after the city , LA.
Blog: City of the angels?
Angelo: Unfortunately, but that is where we used to hang out.
Blog: Hang?
Angelo: Figure of speech. Yours , not mine.
Blog: So what are you doing here, Angelo?
Angelo: I'm on a mission. I'm in charge of a promotion. We have to hit hard and strong.
Blog: What are you promoting?
Angelo: Intelligent Design. I am an expert. I was there.
Blog: Thankyou, Angelo. We will see you round then on the blog?
Angelo: Yes, but. Only if I can get past that cursed dog. Ross's dog.

35. Preaching the Gospel

Date: 23 April 2006 6:58:30 PM
To: Ross@8i.com
Subject: Preaching the Gospel

Here is what I just worked out:

Jesus sent out 70 apostles.
Here is what could happen today if 70 people took the Good News to 70 more people...:
4,900 people would hear the Gospel

Then those 4,900 people each tell 70 more, different people...:
343,000 people have then heard the good news.

Those 343,000 people each tell 70 people who have not heard it before...:
24,010,000 people have then heard the Gospel....

24,010,000 people tell another 70 people each, and...
1,680,700,000 people have heard the Gospel.

Do you know, that is exactly how many computers there are in the world today.
So, what are you waiting for. Go ye out in to all the world...

34. Official notice: This Is Not Spam

A few days ago Blogger, mine host, locked me out because theiir robot thought there might be a machine here generating spam.
Here, I ask?

So they have just unlocked it with the following little note....:

Hello,

Your blog has been reviewed, verified, and cleared for regular use so that
it will no longer appear as potential spam. If you sign out of Blogger and
sign back in again, you should be able to post as normal. Thanks for your
patience, and we apologize for any inconvenience this has caused.

Sincerely,
Blogger Support



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Blog is currently LOCKED from publishing

Saturday, April 22, 2006

33. Too many big words

I have come to the conclusion that many /all the theological sites are confusing, largely because
a) they go on too long
b) the big words are so boring and too hard to keep within a line of thought.
Do we really want to talk about immenence, eminence , pantheism, panentheism, et al?
So I asked the dog, Ross's dog about that.. he said well its a change from all the words he hears in some circles about hemlines, shoes, hairdoes , makeup..he says its not really fair , he's never worn shoes or a hemline in his life... he feels a healthy discussion on panentheism would be a welcome change. He says that at least he has a chance of relating. Well, like I said , he is the straight man here. So maybe we can do one or two from time to time. I'm going to have to do a lot of reading, dog.

32. Why do I do Ross's dog stories?

The dog, Ross's dog can bring a fresh perspective which is insightful and different. The dog, Ross's dog is usually the straight man in a comic duo who can bring to life and memory some of the gems of inspiration which we call writing.
Ross's dog helps to spell out the joy which I believe is inherent and important in serving God. In God's image man was made, so it is valuable to find joy and fun in his creation. Reverence is not all morbidity. ( Death to morbidity...)
One reader has compared this writing to Leunig and the Duck. Remember Australia's Commonwealth Games theme?
I personally had not made the connection but..I guess it was a compliment.
Why not bookmark this site and check on our progress from time to time?

31. Belief: scripture or science

Isnt it a pity we tend to get thru life with two belief systems?
Someone recently said, I've never tried to relate my science studies with my faith. And he preaches the Gospel.
What I am trying to do here is to find , to learn, how science doesnt necessarily need to be a stumbling block to your faith.
Some science I propose is not anything I have read, but rather feel. Or maybe divinely guided. Bear with me, maybe something you read here will make the lights come on for you too.

30. What is loyalty?

Do you know I have such a conviction to write this stuff that if i had to decide between loyalties to this outreach, or friends or family, I would take the outreach.
Jesus said that a mans enemies will be those of his own household
Sometimes we have to make inconvenient decisions

Can anyone share some experiences...post a comment?

29. Why are we confused?

Schools dont support the bible
The press carries popular opinion
7 day creation sounds ridiculous
No one has seen God
Scientists are not agreed on theory
Theology writings are too hard to read
Science ditto
Fashion doesnt favour God

anyone want to add to the list?
Ruth, do your lot have any comments to share?

Friday, April 21, 2006

28. Methuselah

The Bulletin published a piece this week saying that men lose in height from age 40 or 50 , approx 1.5 cm per decade.
So a man of 6 ft., 180 cm tall, could lose in 50 years, 7.5 cm.
Now that sets me thinking, the bible tells me Methuselah lived for 969 years. Noah built the Ark after he was 500 years old. Many lived over 900 years.
So I wrote to the Bulletin.
"How high do you think Methuselah was when he died at 969?"
They wrote back, could they publish my letter, but rewrite it/
Yes sure, but I think my version was clearer than theirs.
Read all about it this week...
You know, people were shorter in the olden days. Remember the Ice Man who was discovered in a glacier about 10 years ago?
He was from about 5000 years ago. Suppose Methuselah then was about 5 feet tall, or say 150 cm.... then he lost height at a constant 1.5 cm per decade? And of course if there was a compounding effect like bank interest, the there would be even more loss of height....
That is 1.5 per 10 years x 10 x 9 to take him from age 50 to 950. Equals 135 cm. Add the 19 years. Say 3 cm. That leaves the poor man about 2 inches high.
Lets see how The Bulletin deals with that.
For my mind, let me repeat, if your science and your religion disagree, maybe its time to change your science...
Ross


EXTRACT FROM THE BULLETIN…25 APR 2006-04-24

That Shrinking Feeling

Jack Dyer was a giant of the AFL, although at 185 cm the Richmond ruckman wasn’t overly tall. People who met Dyer late in his life were struck by how much he’d shrunk in old age; by the time of his death, in 2003, Dyer was perhaps 7.5 cm shorter than during his playing days.
Which is only slightly more than the average amount (6.9 cm) of shrinkage most men can expect if they live to 85 (women average a loss of 10 cm). So why are we subject to shortening, which typically kicks in during our late 40s?
Compression of discs between vertebrae, increased splaying of hips and knees, and flattening of the arches are all largely unavoidable, but the main reason – the disease osteoporosis – is both preventable and treatable through diet and exercise.
Even with healthy bones, you can expect to shed about 1.5 cm per decade once into your 50s. Feeling tired? Stumpiness may be something to do with it; for every 2.5 cm you lose, your lung capacity is reduced by 10 %. Not that any of this slowed Dyer, who lived until he was 90, and whose head bore abundant evidence of another ageing inevitability: our ears continue to grow at a rate of 0.025cm per year throughout our entire lives.
Great. Just great.
Clementine

26. Long noses

If God meant Gentile Christians to look down their noses at little ones like us, He would have made them more prominent.
What does the dog have to say about that?
He says he's never seen anyone as qualified as he to look down his nose , but at the same time he has a disadvantage on height, he has this pressing need to look up to folks.
I guess the lesson I learn today from the dog, Ross's dog, is that no one can really be judgmental.
I dont like the term , 'mature Christian". It indicates ones excessive value of oneself, yes?
Some references to pride are misplaced. I hope that in doing this blog I might be able to promote to some few people a concept of God which will bring eternal Hope to them. With joy. And knowledge.
The dog says Christians can send themselves to the dogs but the converse is not well founded

Tuesday, April 18, 2006

25. Ross's dog on google

Dogs go to heaven.....I was just googling my site to see if it has arrived yet.
Guess what I found....someone called Ross whose dog is going to heaven
.No this isnt me, nor is it the famous dog, Ross's dog.
Actually I'm not telling him either, it might go to his head...

THIS IS A QUOTE LIFTED FROM AN INTERNET SITE; I DO NOT TAKE A POSITION ON THIS:

Ross Allen Johnson, The Best Dog That Ever Lived!
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Do dogs go to Heaven?

Do dogs go to heaven? Of course they do!

Dogs are just as much individuals as are humans. There is something inside each and every doggy that gives him a distinct personality. Whatever that part inside them may be, it is NOT flesh and blood. Can that part of them really cease to exist? The body dies, but that spirit that dwells inside lives on.

We can read in Genesis where God intended for man AND animals to live forever in harmony with one another. It was only after sin entered the world that death came to animals and to man. The first animals ever to die are the ones whose skins God used to make clothing for Adam and Eve.

I believe the Garden of Eden was actually Heaven on earth, and the animals would have lived forever, if man had not sinned. If there were animals in the Heaven that once existed on earth, then why would there not be animals in the next Heaven?

Isaiah 11:6,7

"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox."

I am no Bible scholar, but it sure sounds to me like animals will be restored, during the Millennial Reign of Christ, to the status they had in the Garden of Eden, so why would they not also be included in Heaven?

Is it conceivable that creatures with the capacity to give such unconditional love would NOT have a God given spirit inside them that lives on? Can flesh and blood alone produce this great love?

I know that my Puppy is waiting for me in Heaven. I know that I will be with him eternally. I thank God for this great consolation.

END OF QUOTE.
That was another Ross and another dog. As anon said, rong ross and rong dog.
I hope that clears up the confusion.






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24. Southern hemisphere heaven and Ross's dog

Did that get your attention?
You know how when the bible describes peoples' ascent to heaven? They go up, straight up.
Now down in the southern hemisphere where I am, and the dog, Ross's dog, if we went up, that to a northern hemisphere person would be down, right?
So the upper we go, the downer we get.
So any attempt by us would be taking us further away.
Conversely, said the dog, the northern hemi folk digging a big hole, as you would if you were a canine, could eventually end up at our place.
So where do we go from here.
I personally like the concept that 'the kingdom of heaven is within you'. I know that doesnt explain why northern hemisphere people go straight up, but at least it doesnt have that inherent problem for us.
So I ran it past the dog again for clarification. He said you have to see the big picture, and that is, if we all dug a big hole down, we would all meet in the middle. Now rumour has it about a big pile of bones buried by a million dogs over as many years....I think the dog is daft today so lets move on.
However, can anyone please explain?

Monday, April 17, 2006

23. How you know you are getting OLd

This one from Martin...now we definitely know this is science. I think. I thought I really should check it before publication, but I got too tired!. So I asked the dog, Ross's dog.
He said please read it thru, then come back and read it from his point of view, from a dog's perspective.
So I just did that and and I think it is hilarious. And the dog, Ross's dog, is supposed to be the straight man here in this duo.




Signs that you are getting old:

Everything hurts and what doesn't hurt, doesn't work.

In a hostage situation you are likely to be released first.

It takes a couple of tries to get over a speed bump.

It takes longer to rest than it did to get tired.

It takes twice as long to look half as good.

It's harder and harder for sexual harassment charges to stick.

Many of your co-workers were born the same year that you got your last promotion.

No one expects you to run into a burning building.

People call at 9 p.m. and ask, "Did I wake you?"

People no longer view you as a hypochondriac.

The clothes you've put away until they come back in style... come back in style.

The end of your tie doesn't come anywhere near the top of your pants.

The little gray-haired lady you help across the street is your wife.

The pharmacist has become you new best friend.

The twinkle in your eye is only the reflection of the sun on your bifocals.

There's nothing left to learn the hard way.

Things you buy now won't wear out.

When getting lucky means you find your car in the parking lot.

When happy hour is a nap.

When tying one on means fastening your MedicAlert bracelet.

When you are cautioned to slow down by your doctor instead of the police.

When you don't care where your wife goes, just so you don't have to go along.

When you have a choice of two temptations and you choose the one that will get you home earlier.

When you realize that caution is the only thing you care to exercise.

When you step off a curb and look down one more time to make sure that the street is still there.

When you stop buying green bananas.

When you wake up with that morning-after feeling, and you didn't do anything the night before.

When you were in school there was no history class!

When your birth certificate says expired on it.

When you're told to act your own age, and you die.

You and your teeth don't sleep together.

You are 17 around the neck, 42 around the waist, 96 around the golf course.

You are proud of your lawn mower.

You begin every other sentence with, "Nowadays..."

You burn the midnight oil until 9:00 P.M.

You buy a compass for the dash of your car.

You can't remember the last time you laid on the floor to watch television.

You come to the conclusion that your worst enemy is gravity.

You confuse having a clear conscience with having a bad memory.

You constantly talk about the price of gasoline.

You don't know real embarrassment until your hip sets off a metal detector.

You don't remember being absent minded.

You don't remember when your wild oats turned to prunes and all bran.

You enjoy hearing about other people's operations.

You feel like the morning after when you haven't been anywhere the night before.

You finally got your head together, now your body is falling apart.

You find yourself beginning to like accordion music.

You frequently find yourself telling people what a loaf of bread USED to cost.

You get exercise acting as a pallbearer for friends who exercise.

You get winded playing chess.

You give up all your bad habits and you still don't feel good.

You have more patience; but actually, it's just that you don't care any more.

You have too much room in the house and not enough in the medicine cabinet.

You just can't stand people who are intolerant.

You know all the answers, but nobody asks you the questions.

You light the candles on your birthday cake, and a group of campers form a circle and start singing "Kumbaya."

You look both ways before crossing a room.

You look for your glasses for a half an hour, and then find that they were on your head all the time.

You look forward to a dull evening.

You no longer think of speed limits as a challenge.

You quit trying to hold your stomach in, no matter who walks into the room.

You realize that a stamp today costs more than a picture show did when you were growing up.

You run out of breath walking DOWN a flight of stairs.

You sing along with the elevator music.

You sink your teeth into a steak ...and they stay there.

You sit in a rocking chair and can't get it going.

You start video taping daytime game shows.

You take a metal detector to the beach.

You turn off the lights for economic rather than romantic reasons.

You wake up, looking like your driver's license picture.

You wear black socks with sandals.

You wonder how you could be over the hill when you don't even remember being on top of it.

You wonder why you waited so long to take up macramé.

You would rather go to work than stay home sick.

Your back goes out more than you do.

Your best friend is dating someone half their age and isn't breaking any laws.

Your childhood toys are now in a museum.

Your children are beginning to look middle-aged.

Your ears are hairier than your head.

Your idea of a night out is sitting on the patio.

Your idea of weight lifting is standing up.

Your investment in health insurance is finally beginning to pay off.

Your joints are more accurate than the National Weather Service.

Your knees buckle and your belt won't.

Your little black book only contains names ending in M.D.

Your memory is shorter and your complaining is longer.

Your mind makes contracts your body can't keep.

Your new easy chair has more options than your car.

Your pacemaker raises the garage door when you see a pretty girl go by.

Your secrets are safe with your friends because they can't remember them either.

Your supply of brain cells is finally down to a manageable size.

You're asleep, but others worry that you're dead.












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